• Nem Talált Eredményt

Armenians

• Demilitarizing Karabakh and its adjacent regions means giving ourselves up.

• The Armenian armed forces should stay. There should be no demilitarization.

• Demilitarization is also greatly dangerous.

• The fourth scenario is the most hazardous one.

• The provision about demilitarization should be eliminated. We ought to be on the alert or as the Russians say, “na cheku”.

• The worst provision here is the demilitarization.

• Never demilitarization.

• Demilitarization of the Republic of Nagorni Karabakh and its adjacent territories implies that there will be a new massacre like the one in 1915. I do not trust the international law; neither do I trust the international entities.

• The demilitarized territories are not a guarantee that Azerbaijan will not attack

• us.Demilitarization would mean tying up our hands and surrendering so that they massacre us again.

• There can be no demilitarization in Karabakh. Our armed forces cannot leave Karabakh.

• Wow, how are they going to demilitarize us…?

• If we were to demilitarize, why were we fighting in the first place?

• We cannot agree to the idea of demilitarization of the adjacent territories becu-ase after that they will simply butcher us like cattle.

• Demilitarization? Have we lost our minds?

• The issue of demilitarization is the most terrible option. We will lose our security.

• We cannot secure ourselves without our army. History has shown many times that the enemy devours us if we do not have our own army. Armenians have al-ways had powerful armed forces throughout their history.

• Let us take the third scenario and keep from the fifth scenario the issues of de-militarization and Kelbajar and Lachin. That would be an ideal scenario.

• In order to ensure the security of those territories a safety zone must be created around them. Demilitarization is a necessity.

Azerbaijanis

• If the armed forces are kept the previous situation may occur again

• The borders of NK should be protected via bording forces of Azerbaijan

Repub-• licThe military services should be located in NK the same way as in other regions

• Azerbaijan military services should protect and secure the border of the country as well as the territory in general as soon as the territorial integrity of the country is regained

• All the military forces leave NK and Azerbaijani forces are locating there

• All the foreign forces should leave NK whereas Azerbaijani forces located there

• Only after being assured in the stability of the situation the military representa-tives of both countries will have a chance to control their own borders

• NK has to be cleared form forces

• Azerbaijan’s army has to protect its borders

• NK and all the surrounding territories should get free from Armenian army

International Peacekeepers

For Armenians

• Peacekeepers must be ethnic Russians. It will be difficult to bribe them.

• I agree that foreign countries have the required power to guarantee the safety of the weak.

• The peacekeepers are needed to win some time. If it all stays like this and the peacekeepers arrive, that will be the best thing.

• Let the peacekeepers be from the CIS countries.

• It would be better if the international peacekeepers arrived now, but the sce-nario with the status quo continued.

• We would like the Russian peacekeepers to come.

• The international peacekeeper forces must be impartial.

• If the peacekeepers are coming, let them come from Russia not NATO.

• The peacekeepers should be from Switzerland or China because in that case they will be impartial.

• Russia could probably come forth as a third party to oversee that each country carries out its commitments as to the guarantees.

• Peacekeepers can come, but it is important that there are no Turks among them.

• We may give our consent to the peacekeepers’ deployment if there is no demili-tarization.

• The only chance for the peacekeepers to arrive here is if our army is located on our territory as well.

• Only the Russians can be peacekeepers.

• If they open the borders there will be endless clashes. Therefore, the deployment of the peacekeepers is necessary.

Azerbaijanis

• I go for peaceful forces to be located here

• Following the rules above is guarantee to opening the boarders between Azer-baijan and Armenia, Armenia and Turkey

• Peaceful forces are usually neutral

• The peaceful forces get located in the territory

• We should work in such manner that makes the peaceful forces to defend our interests

• We agree on locating the peaceful forces

• But there should be a 3rd party regulating the peace

• Peaceful forces should consist of different nationalities

• The war will be impossible under the influence of foreign forces

• Because world countries have invested very much to this region

• If Azerbaijan wants to resolve this it is mandatory to have the presence of inter-national forces

• International peaceful forces can be located in Nagorno Karabakh

• In accordance to this peacfull forces should be located in the region

• It will be impossible to keep Azerbaijani police together with Armenia police

• Constantly their should be international control

• It is beneficial for us to locate peaceful forces in Karabakh

• At the first stage we should get Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian and French mili-tary representative leave Karabakh and pass it over to peaceful forces who will provide the security of NK

• If the issue is resolved in order to arrange peace there should be presence of international peaceful forces, but this should be determined by each of the party itself without any mediators.

Against Armenians

• Deploying peacekeeper troupes is not very advantageous because it is going to be for an indefinite period. Besides, we don’t know if they are going to be unbi-ased or not.

• We do not agree to the idea of bringing in peacekeepers. We are excellent peacekeepers ourselves.

• No peacekeepers from any countries should arrive in Karabakh and its adjacent territories. They cannot solve any issue anyway.

• The international peacekeepers are unable to ensure peace in any country today.

• We are taking care of our borders. We don’t need any peacekeepers, they ensure no guarantees.

• The international peacekeepers will never protect us or ensure our safety.

• We will have another Kosovo; calling the peacekeepers is not going to resolve anything.

• As shown by the experience, the deployment of peacekeeper forces will only lead to the procrastination of ay solution.

• Placement of the peacekeepers is an unnecessary intervention by third parties.

• We are “striking both the hammer and the nail”. We are saying that we have to rely on ourselves and at the same time we want international peacekeepers…

• Deployment of the international forces will not provide a solution to this issue.

Besides, no one can guarantee peace. At this moment we have a ceasefire agree-ment but there are still a lot of casualties. Therefore, it makes no sense insisting that if there is an agreement peace will come and stay.

• Peacekeepers are not going to resolve any issues. We will be resolving them.

• Peacekeeper forces were in Iraq and Kosovo, too. What was the result? Let them not try to hoodwink us with the peacekeepers. Our only protection is the Arme-nian army.

• We trust our army; what are the peacekeepers needed here for?

• Peacekeepers are never to be trusted. That is shown by past experience.

• The entrance of the peacekeepers will mean increasing the risk of war and first of all for us, the people of Syunik.

• The presence of foreign troupes will just increase the bribe money that both par-ties will have to pay them.

• Deployment of the peacekeepers in this region is ineffective because those forc-es can be used against Armenia.

• Peacekeepers have never solved any problems. We have seen what they did to the other territories they were used on.

• The peacekeepers were present in Kosovo, former Yugoslavia. Were they able to enforce peace?

• I am against the presence of the UN peacekeepers in this region. I think they will send Turkish forces, which is not good for us.

• Who says that the peacekeepers are going to play a major role in this? Let us recall Bosnia…

• The peacekeepers are unreliable. Somebody will pay them a million and they will close their eyes. Meanwhile the villages in Karabakh will be looted and the pop-ulation will be killed.

• The peacekeepers will do the same as in Kosovo. They can’t provide any perma-nent guarantees either.

• The international peacekeepers will only bring additional tension to this area.

The best example is Iraq.

• We know those peacekeepers quite alright! There were Russian peacekeepers in the area back in 1915. We all saw what happened…

• Whatever we have seen must serve a lesson for us. We should rely solely on our-selves. This is the lesson of history.

• The idea of the peacekeepers is just a hoax. There are peacekeepers deployed in every part of the world at this moment, but peaceful people keep dying every-where.

• It is the army that will protect peace. Artsakh cannot survive without its army.

• Deploying international peacekeepers makes no sense because in case of war they won’t be doing anything.

• International peacekeepers will not be able to protect our population. The Rus-sian peacekeepers were in Abkhazia but were unable to ensure security.

• Let us have a look at what the peacekeepers are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Forbid God…

• Peacekeeper forces mean the NATO forces. Iran will also be against it.

• It is our land and we are supposed to protect it. What kind of peacekeepers are we talking about?

• What if the peacekeepers are not impartial? The Russian peacekeepers in Ossetia were not neutral…

• We will have to protect our borders with our own resources. We don’t trust any peacekeepers.

• I have no trust in the international peacekeepers. I have trust in our own power.

• We should not let the international peacekeepers come to this area. They won’t be resolving anything. Their main purpose will be pillaging.

• We are familiar with the actions of the international peacekeepers. What did the Soviet army give?

• The Turks are pros in bribing. They will leave no peacekeepers unbribed.

• Peacekeepers are also people; they have weaknesses of their own. We’ll feel bet-ter if we are protected by our own people.

• Both Armenia and Karabakh will find themselves encircled and enclosed if the peacekeepers are transferred here.

• We have seen the Russians’ actions before. It makes no difference if the peace-keepers are Russians or Turks.

• Our army ensures our safety just fine. Why do we need any peacekeepers? А bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, one today is worth two tomorrows.

• Turks will put on a hat of a peacekeeper and will come and start killing from the inside. We don’t want that.

• We don’t need international peacekeepers. We don’t want them to carry out their service in a way that there are human victims. They have done that in other parts of the world. The same will happen here.

• The peacekeepers were there, in South Osia. Did they not kill people? I am a peacekeeper myself and I know one thing for sure: I won’t be fighting for others’

lands as hard as I will struggle for my own land.

• If there is any danger, the peacekeeper will be the first to run away.

• If tomorrow the peacekeepers arrive in this place, they will be exercising pressure on us, Armenians again.

• Weren’t there Soviet armed forces on this territory when they massacred us? The same will be with the peacekeepers.

• They will bribe the peacekeepers, too.

• A similar situation occurred back then when the Russian forces were functioning here as peacekeepers. Remember what happened? We don’t have trust in any other peacekeepers either.

• Scenario 4 implies a repetition of 1921. Back then the Russians came here, too.

Remember what happened after that?

• We have just as much trust towards the peacekeepers as we have for the Azer-baijanis.

• They used to bribe the Russians to do “bloody peacemaking”. There are no other nations with a blood “redder” than ours. We will protect ourselves quite alright.

• The risk in the deployment of the peacekeepers is that Azerbaijan is good at finding a common language with any country: they will certainly find a way to use the peacekeepers to their advantage.

• Peacekeepers? You mean mercenaries

• The peacekeepers have always been fighting for one of the parties to the con-flict. No foreign soldier will shed blood for our lands.

• We can hardly support our army. How can we bring in international peacekeep-ers and support them at our cost?

• The so-called peacekeepers will only destabilize the situation even more. We have seen them operate…

• International peacekeepers have never been impartial or neutral. I am sure that their functions will better be implemented by our boys in our army.

• I am telling you: international peacekeepers are part of the plan conceived and designed by Azerbaijan.

• They are telling us that the international peacekeepers are arriving. What are they coming for? We don’t need that. The killers will continue killing and no peacekeepers will be able to stop that! Only our army can save us…

• We are not going to make any compromises; no giving lands and no letting the Azerbaijani refugees come back here! And we are quite sick of the peacekeepers,

• too…The only guarantor of our safety is our army. No peacekeepers and no guaran-tees can ever ensure our safety.

• Every nation has to protect its borders. We cannot rely on the peacekeepers.

• Now there is another name for the peacekeepers and that is TROUBLEMAKERS.

• The Azerbaijani refugees will come to Shoushi and Stepanakert, and the peace-keepers will be somewhere else. What are they gonna do if the Armenians and Azerbaijanis start killing each other again?

Azerbaijanis

• International organizations are frightened that they will not be able to provide the security

• None of the international peaceful forces could realize themselves

• The major issue here is to know from which countries do this peaceful forces consist?

• There are terrible things going on in Afghanistan under the peaceful forces

• International peaceful forces can not so much help

• Lots of work may be done under the supervision of international peaceful forces

• The military cooperation is not acceptable

• If the peaceful forcers are located here it would have been a back up for Arme-nians

• If the international peaceful forces are represented by Russia or France it will not work for us

• If the Russian soldiers arrive under UN Organization control it also doesn’t work for us

• There is no need for international peace forces in Karabakh

• There is no need in peaceful forces; we are capable to resolve it ourselves

• no need for peace makers on the borders Other opinions

Armenians

• The senders of the peacekeeper troupes are the powerful states. If they wanted this conflict to be settled, they would have settled it long ago.

• Perhaps during military operations there will be a need for the peacekeepers, but now there is no war. Who needs them? The armed forces of both countries maintain peace just fine.

• It is not very essential which peacekeepers will be there, as long as they carry out their role adequately. The question is that the adjacent territories of Karabakh should not be handed over to Azerbaijan; instead, the peacekeepers should be deployed on those territories. As for the corridor to Nakhijevan, an issue that has always been manipulated upon by the Azerbaijanis, we should not accept that.

• Instead of the peacekeepers there should be police forces, for instance, from the UN or the Council of Europe. Their functions are totally different.

• If they are giving just contractual guarantees, that won’t work. As for the peace-keepers, they should deploy them on the adjacent territories and not try to hand over the adjacent territories. Surrendering is off discussion. Artsakh should also maintain its own army, that’s beyond any doubt.

• I believe there is nothing bad in the peacekeepers’ deployment in Nagorni Kara-bakh. It’s just that we are not sure that they will really protect our safety.

• They are trying to bring in peacekeepers from the Muslim countries.

• We do not have any experience as to, for instance, the NATO troupes. Who knows what will happen? We do have some experience with the Russians though. They are more or less reliable.

• The peacekeepers cannot stay here forever, can they? The minute they live, the former situation will be restored.

• The peacekeepers may be needed in some phase. Right now, at this point, there is no need for peacekeepers.

• Ok, let’s assume that Armenians and Azerbaijanis live together in Shoushi. The peacekeepers arrive. Exactly where are they going to be deployed?

Azerbaijanis

• It has been shown the period of activities of peaceful forces.

• The arrival of international peaceful forces to the region means the interference of international forces to this conflict.

• No military services of foreign countries should be in the territory of Azerbaijan Republic and therefore Armenian soldiers can not provide the security together with Azerbaijan

• Only after resolving the conflict between 2 countries other countries can

inter-• fereBecause there is not any international organization that can guarantee that as soon as the people move back they will have full security and protection

• The opinions may be different with respect to international forces – who will be joining to them? We have seen them during this long period